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Poster: billbarstad Date: Sep 26, 2011 4:37pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: possible upload

The copyright renewal for Springtime in the Sierras (1947) aka Song of the Sierra was properly registered (see attachment). Video-Cellar did list it as PD. Does it have a proper notice in the film?

This post was modified by billbarstad on 2011-09-26 23:37:21

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Sep 27, 2011 10:33am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: possible upload

Song of the Sierras (1946) is a Monogram production, 58 minutes in lenth (6 reels, as indicated in the renewal).
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0281208/combined

Springtime in the Sierras (1947) is Republic Pictures film.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0039861/combined

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Poster: oldbones Date: Sep 27, 2011 3:47pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: possible upload

looks like springtime is good to go?

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Sep 27, 2011 5:51pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: possible upload

It's included in this collection of 25 Roy Rogers films:
http://www.oldies.com/product-view/54010N.html

Let's see if any of the 25 were renewed.

// WALL STREET COWBOY // 1939 //

-------------- 1967-A.TXT --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1967-B.TXT --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1966-A.TXT --------------
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-------------- 1966-B.TXT --------------
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-------------- 1968-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1968-B.txt --------------
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// THE ARIZONA KID // 1939 //

-------------- 1967-A.TXT --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1967-B.TXT --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1966-A.TXT --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1966-B.TXT --------------
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-------------- 1968-A.txt --------------
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[No matches.]


// DAYS OF JESSE JAMES // 1939 //

-------------- 1967-A.TXT --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1967-B.TXT --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1966-A.TXT --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1966-B.TXT --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1968-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
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[No matches.]


// THE RANGER AND THE LADY // 1940 //

-------------- 1968-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1968-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1967-A.TXT --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1967-B.TXT --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1969-A.txt --------------
---- index_1969-A.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1969-B.txt --------------
---- index_1969-B.txt
[No matches.]


// WEST OF THE BADLANDS (AKA THE BORDER LEGION) // 1940 //

-------------- 1968-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
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[No matches.]
-------------- 1967-A.TXT --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1967-B.TXT --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1969-A.txt --------------
---- index_1969-A.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1969-B.txt --------------
---- index_1969-B.txt
[No matches.]


// YOUNG BILL HICKOK // 1940 //

-------------- 1968-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1968-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1967-A.TXT --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1967-B.TXT --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1969-A.txt --------------
---- index_1969-A.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1969-B.txt --------------
---- index_1969-B.txt
[No matches.]


// YOUNG BUFFALO BILL // 1940 //

-------------- 1968-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1968-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1967-A.TXT --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1967-B.TXT --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1969-A.txt --------------
---- index_1969-A.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1969-B.txt --------------
---- index_1969-B.txt
[No matches.]


// BAD MAND OF DEADWOOD // 1941 //

-------------- 1969-A.txt --------------
---- index_1969-A.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1969-B.txt --------------
---- index_1969-B.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1968-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1968-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1970-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1970-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]


// ROBIN HOOD OF THE PECOS // 1941 //

-------------- 1969-A.txt --------------
---- index_1969-A.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1969-B.txt --------------
---- index_1969-B.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1968-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1968-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1970-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1970-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]


// SHERIFF OF TOMBSTONE // 1941 //

-------------- 1969-A.txt --------------
---- index_1969-A.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1969-B.txt --------------
---- index_1969-B.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1968-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1968-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1970-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1970-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]


// SUNSET SERENADE // 1942 //

-------------- 1970-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1970-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1969-A.txt --------------
---- index_1969-A.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1969-B.txt --------------
---- index_1969-B.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1971-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1971-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]


// HEART OF THE GOLDEN WEST // 1942 //

-------------- 1970-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1970-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1969-A.txt --------------
---- index_1969-A.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1969-B.txt --------------
---- index_1969-B.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1971-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1971-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]


// KING OF THE COWBOYS // 1943 //

-------------- 1971-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1971-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1970-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1970-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1972-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1972-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]


// SILVER SPURS // 1943 //

-------------- 1971-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1971-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1970-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1970-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1972-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1972-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]


// THE YELLOW ROSE OF TEXAS // 1944 //

-------------- 1972-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1972-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1971-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1971-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1973-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1973-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]


// HOME IN OKLAHOMA // 1946 //

-------------- 1974-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1974-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1973-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1973-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1975-A.txt --------------
---- index_1975-A.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1975-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]


// MY PAL TRIGGER // 1946 //

-------------- 1974-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1974-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1973-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1973-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1975-A.txt --------------
---- index_1975-A.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1975-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]


// ROLL ON TEXAS MOON // 1946 //

-------------- 1974-A.txt --------------
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-------------- 1974-B.txt --------------
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-------------- 1973-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1973-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1975-A.txt --------------
---- index_1975-A.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1975-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]


// APACHE ROSE // 1947 //

-------------- 1975-A.txt --------------
---- index_1975-A.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1975-B.txt --------------
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-------------- 1974-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1974-B.txt --------------
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-------------- 1976-A.txt --------------
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-------------- 1976-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]


// THE BELLS OF SAN ANGELO // 1947 //

-------------- 1975-A.txt --------------
---- index_1975-A.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1975-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1974-A.txt --------------
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-------------- 1974-B.txt --------------
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-------------- 1976-A.txt --------------
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-------------- 1976-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]


// SPRINGTIME IN THE SIERRAS // 1947 //

-------------- 1975-A.txt --------------
---- index_1975-A.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1975-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1974-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1974-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1976-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1976-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]


// THE GAY RANCHERO // 1948 //

-------------- 1976-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1976-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1975-A.txt --------------
---- index_1975-A.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1975-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1977-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1977-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]


// GRAND CANYON TRAIL // 1948 //

-------------- 1976-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1976-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1975-A.txt --------------
---- index_1975-A.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1975-B.txt --------------
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-------------- 1977-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1977-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]


// THE FAR FRONTIER // 1948 //

-------------- 1976-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1976-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1975-A.txt --------------
---- index_1975-A.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1975-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1977-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1977-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]


// UNDER CALIFORNIA SKIES // 1948 //

-------------- 1976-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1976-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1975-A.txt --------------
---- index_1975-A.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1975-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1977-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1977-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]



Renewals found:


------------------------------------------------------------
Summary
(If no renewal was found, the line begins with "-- no --".
Otherwise, the line begins with a number representing how
closely the title was matched; 0.00 means a perfect match,
and 0.18, for example, would indicate a poor match.)
------------------------------------------------------------

-- no -- WALL STREET COWBOY (1939)
-- no -- THE ARIZONA KID (1939)
-- no -- DAYS OF JESSE JAMES (1939)
-- no -- THE RANGER AND THE LADY (1940)
-- no -- WEST OF THE BADLANDS (AKA THE BORDER LEGION) (1940)
-- no -- YOUNG BILL HICKOK (1940)
-- no -- YOUNG BUFFALO BILL (1940)
-- no -- BAD MAND OF DEADWOOD (1941)
-- no -- ROBIN HOOD OF THE PECOS (1941)
-- no -- SHERIFF OF TOMBSTONE (1941)
-- no -- SUNSET SERENADE (1942)
-- no -- HEART OF THE GOLDEN WEST (1942)
-- no -- KING OF THE COWBOYS (1943)
-- no -- SILVER SPURS (1943)
-- no -- THE YELLOW ROSE OF TEXAS (1944)
-- no -- HOME IN OKLAHOMA (1946)
-- no -- MY PAL TRIGGER (1946)
-- no -- ROLL ON TEXAS MOON (1946)
-- no -- APACHE ROSE (1947)
-- no -- THE BELLS OF SAN ANGELO (1947)
-- no -- SPRINGTIME IN THE SIERRAS (1947)
-- no -- THE GAY RANCHERO (1948)
-- no -- GRAND CANYON TRAIL (1948)
-- no -- THE FAR FRONTIER (1948)
-- no -- UNDER CALIFORNIA SKIES (1948)



0 of 25 renewed. (0%)

Some are here already:

THE ARIZONA KID (1939)
http://www.archive.org/details/arizona_kid
DAYS OF JESSE JAMES (1939)
http://www.archive.org/details/DaysOfJesseJames
THE RANGER AND THE LADY (1940)
http://www.archive.org/details/TheRangerAndTheLady
YOUNG BILL HICKOK (1940)
http://www.archive.org/details/young_bill_hickok
YOUNG BUFFALO BILL (1940)
http://www.archive.org/details/YoungBuffaloBill
SHERIFF OF TOMBSTONE (1941)
http://www.archive.org/details/SheriffofTombstone
http://www.archive.org/details/Sheriff_of_Tombstone
SUNSET SERENADE (1942)
http://www.archive.org/details/SunsetSerenade
KING OF THE COWBOYS (1943)
http://www.archive.org/details/KingOfTheCowboys
SILVER SPURS (1943)
http://www.archive.org/details/silver_spurs
THE YELLOW ROSE OF TEXAS (1944)
http://www.archive.org/details/TheYellowRoseofTexas
HOME IN OKLAHOMA (1946)
http://www.archive.org/details/HomeinOklahoma
MY PAL TRIGGER (1946)
http://www.archive.org/details/my_pal_trigger
APACHE ROSE (1947)
http://www.archive.org/details/ApacheRose
THE BELLS OF SAN ANGELO (1947)
http://www.archive.org/details/bells_of_san_angelo

SPRINGTIME IN THE SIERRAS (1947) seems to be p.d.


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Poster: oldbones Date: Sep 26, 2011 4:55pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: possible upload

afraid so :(

see attached


But i don't give up that easily.
How about ' I Wake Up Screaming' 1941, US...IMDb shows no 'akas', and found no renewal. The film does have a valid notice.

This post was modified by oldbones on 2011-09-26 23:55:33

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Sep 26, 2011 7:37pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: possible upload

Video-Cellar listed I Wake Up Screaming (1941) as being under copyright, which made me wonder about underlying rights to the movie. Steve Fisher wrote the novel Vicki, apparently on which the movie is based, but it wasn't published until 1953. I don't see how it would keep the movie out of the public domain, but I'm no expert.

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Poster: oldbones Date: Sep 27, 2011 6:43am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: possible upload

I have no reason to doubt video_cellar, but let me throw a couple of things into the mix.
There is a movie called 'Vicki', 1953 US. Per IMDb Steve Fisher has first writing credit for the novel. It appears that the movie was based on the novel.

Also in the IMDb listing is a category called connections, which lists 'I Wake Up Screaming'.

Again per IMDb in the writing credits for 'I Wake Up Screaming', Steve Fisher is listed second, (for the novel).

If 'I Wake Up Screaming' is based on the novel "Vicki", and the novel was not published until 1953, does this have any implications toward the pd status of 'I Wake Up Screaming'? i.e the movie being made based on an unpublished and non-copyrighted text.

Billbarstad, I also don't see how this could keep 'I Wake Up Screaming' out of pd, but this is well beyond my knowledge
level.

I would be happy to upload the film in the next day or two, with someone standing by to delete it asap if it doesn't pan
out. Or we could wait it out for awhile and see if anyone else decides to weigh in. What do you think?

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Poster: HektorT Date: Sep 27, 2011 8:08am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: possible upload

Underlying story or music rights don't necessarily mean a film is not PD. There are cases where that happens but I think they are the exception rather than the rule. The general practice seems to be more that producers will purchase buy-out rights for the film that allow the story or film to be used with the film forever. The few cases where films were pulled from the PD due to underlying rights generally had extenuating circumstances that overrode what was written in the contract.

In the past VideoCellar has almost universally claimed that underlying rights meant a film could not be PD, but in a few recent discussions he has backed off that position.

In this case the 1953 film is a remake. The Stephen Fisher novel was apparently "purchased" by 20th Century Fox to make the movie (that generally means they bought the movie rights).

http://www.answers.com/topic/steve-fisher

This post was modified by HektorT on 2011-09-27 15:08:28

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Poster: larus Date: Sep 27, 2011 10:25am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: possible upload

It was renewed, but the text was a bit mangled by the OCRization, if I may say so (even then, a mangled CCE is still better than no CCE):

[ WAKE UP SCREAMING, a photoplay in
eight reels by Twentieth Century-Fox
Film Corp. © 510ct4l; LIO895
.
Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corp.
(PWH); 4Apr69; R458944.


As a rule of thumb, I would say if you see a film with hundreds on ratings on IMDB yet no PD distributor offers it, it most likely isn't PD.


In this particular case, a search on http://cocatalog.loc.gov/ turned up several documents with a renewal number and a renewal date that seemed to match (I am aware that pre-1978 renewal records don't show up on the cocatalog, but sometimes mass listings do mention renewal numbers even for films published before 1950).

Example:
Type of Work: Recorded Document
Document Number: V1942P122
Date of Recordation: 1982-10-12
Entire Copyright Document: V1942 P1-306
Registration Number Not Verified: R458944 (1969)
Title: I wake up screaming / R458944 (1969)
Title appears in Document:
# Full Title
[ 1 ] Abductors & 3942 other titles. (Part 009 of 021)

(of course, there are other records that give a wrong renewal number [R458994 instead of R458944], but that is another story)

Anyway, this led me to do another round of searches through the 1968, 1969 and 1970 CCEs for renewal numbers starting with 458 or ending with 944. And the renewal record finally did turn up.

This post was modified by larus on 2011-09-27 17:25:31

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Sep 26, 2011 7:03pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: possible upload

I couldn't find a copyright renewal for I Wake Up Screaming (1941) aka Hot Spot either. Good find! Let 'er rip!

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Sep 27, 2011 6:06pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: possible upload

I presume you searched the text here:
http://www.archive.org/stream/catalogofc19693231213libr/catalogofc19693231213libr_djvu.txt

As usual, this OCRed text has quite a few typos:

1 MARRIED AN ANGEL, a photoplay in
10 reels by Loew's. © 19May4 2;
LII309. Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Inc.
(PWH); 19May69; R46l980.

[ WAKE UP SCREAMING, a photoplay in
eight reels by Twentieth Century-Fox
Film Corp. © 510ct4l; LIO895 .
Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corp.
(PWH); 4Apr69; R458944.

When searching for renewals, one can search for a key word or phrase if the complete title can't be found. "Screaming" would be a good choice.

My program allows for errors like this and finds matches that aren't perfect (although that doesn't matter in this case because my text is from HathiTrust and I have touched it up a bit).

// I WAKE UP SCREAMING (AKA HOT SPOT) // 1941 //

-------------- 1969-A.txt --------------
0.000
I WAKE UP SCREAMING, a photoplay in
eight reels by Twentieth Century-Fox
Film Corp. (C) 310ct4l; L10895-
Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corp.
(PWH); 4Apr69; R458944.

-------------- 1969-B.txt --------------
---- index_1969-B.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1968-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1968-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1970-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1970-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]



Renewals found:

I WAKE UP SCREAMING, a photoplay in
eight reels by Twentieth Century-Fox
Film Corp. (C) 310ct4l; L10895-
Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corp.
(PWH); 4Apr69; R458944.


------------------------------------------------------------
Summary
(If no renewal was found, the line begins with "-- no --".
Otherwise, the line begins with a number representing how
closely the title was matched; 0.00 means a perfect match,
and 0.18, for example, would indicate a poor match.)
------------------------------------------------------------

0.00 I WAKE UP SCREAMING (AKA HOT SPOT) (1941)



1 of 1 renewed. (100%)

Here's an example of an imperfect match.

// WE WAKE UP SCREAMING // 1941 //

-------------- 1969-A.txt --------------
0.100
I WAKE UP SCREAMING, a photoplay in
eight reels by Twentieth Century-Fox
Film Corp. (C) 310ct4l; L10895-
Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corp.
(PWH); 4Apr69; R458944.

-------------- 1969-B.txt --------------
---- index_1969-B.txt
[No matches.]
-------------- 1968-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1968-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1970-A.txt --------------
[No matches.]
-------------- 1970-B.txt --------------
[No matches.]



Renewals found:

I WAKE UP SCREAMING, a photoplay in
eight reels by Twentieth Century-Fox
Film Corp. (C) 310ct4l; L10895-
Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corp.
(PWH); 4Apr69; R458944.


------------------------------------------------------------
Summary
(If no renewal was found, the line begins with "-- no --".
Otherwise, the line begins with a number representing how
closely the title was matched; 0.00 means a perfect match,
and 0.18, for example, would indicate a poor match.)
------------------------------------------------------------

0.10 WE WAKE UP SCREAMING (1941)



1 of 1 renewed. (100%)



This post was modified by Moongleam on 2011-09-27 17:39:43

This post was modified by Moongleam on 2011-09-27 17:45:30

This post was modified by Moongleam on 2011-09-28 01:06:46

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Poster: oldbones Date: Sep 27, 2011 12:01pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: possible upload

Moongleam...

I did search the 1969 catalog. My usual search habit is to go with a two year span, i.e. for a 1940 film, the 67 & 68 catalogs. In the future I'll add a keyword phrase. Thanks for your help.

P.S. Nice program you got there. Any chances of releasing it under a Creative Commons type license? :)

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Sep 29, 2011 4:06am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: possible upload

I didn't search that text, I searched the PDF. I did find the renewal when I searched for "wake up screaming". About Springtime in the Sierras. Well, oops. I should have looked more closely at the renewal.

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Poster: oldbones Date: Sep 29, 2011 6:10am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: possible upload

Not a problem.

Speaking of Springtime, I uploaded it last night,(9/28 EDT),
and all indications were that it made it. Edited the meta file with no problem etc but this morning can't find it in the 'just in' category, to get it moved. Any thoughts?

Thanks

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Poster: billbarstad Date: Sep 29, 2011 6:18am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: possible upload

You should post a "Please Move" request for the movie in this forum. It's more likely to be moved to Feature Films soon that way. The mods do their best.

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Poster: elmagno Date: Sep 26, 2011 5:02pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: possible upload

aka "Hot Spot"

Looks like a Fox film, not PD, if you look in Amazon, but I wouldn't swear to anything. Good luck!

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Poster: oldbones Date: Sep 26, 2011 6:23pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: possible upload

missed hot spot, thanks for catching it. found no renewal for it either.

you're right..it is a fox film and amazon is selling it. but, alpha video sells pd, some in really poor shape, without telling the customer that they are pd. rupert just might want some of the action.

anyway, lets see if anyone else can help.

thanks